In this episode, Niall has one of the most important conversations we’ve ever had on this podcast with Dr. Mike Ryan, the man leading the World Health Organisation’s emergency response to the COVID-19 pandemic. As Executive Director of WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, Dr. Ryan says this pandemic has exposed the inequality of our health systems worldwide. They discuss how the systems we have need to be re-evaluated and how to move forward we must take a wider world view.